Oren Eini

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Sep 11 2014

Help us pick the cover for Inside RavenDB 3.0

time to read 1 min | 88 words

We narrow things down to the following drafts. Which do you think is better, and what kind of improvements do you think we can make here?

RavenDB book cover-03

RavenDB book cover6 new-01

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Judah Gabriel Himango
11 Sep 2014
13:43 PM
Judah Gabriel Himango

1

Steve Hansen
11 Sep 2014
14:06 PM
Steve Hansen

First one

Andreas McDermott
11 Sep 2014
14:09 PM
Andreas McDermott

First.

Koen Verheyen
11 Sep 2014
14:21 PM
Koen Verheyen

The second one makes me think of Windows 3.11...

Michal
11 Sep 2014
14:22 PM
Michal

1

Joe Buschmann
11 Sep 2014
14:24 PM
Joe Buschmann

Second one.

EQR
11 Sep 2014
14:30 PM
EQR

Only possible improvement is to change a designer. Probably hire one.

Tommaso Caldarola
11 Sep 2014
14:37 PM
Tommaso Caldarola

The 1st one is in line with studio theme.

Pete Stensønes
11 Sep 2014
14:54 PM
Pete Stensønes

First one

slang
11 Sep 2014
15:02 PM
slang

1

Eric
11 Sep 2014
15:13 PM
Eric

Both are pretty bad to be honest...

JV
11 Sep 2014
15:30 PM
JV

1

Ayende Rahien
11 Sep 2014
15:53 PM
Ayende Rahien

EQR & Eric, Do you have concrete suggestion? I'm afraid that I don't have any take aways from your comment except that you appear to dislike both options.

Gilligan
11 Sep 2014
15:57 PM
Gilligan

1

Mike H
11 Sep 2014
16:07 PM
Mike H

1 is cool

EQR
11 Sep 2014
16:19 PM
EQR

Sorry for being too negative, Oren. I dislike the composition of the first option (the upper part is too lightweight while the low part is disgustingly variegated) and ugly blue color and strange perspective of the second one. It would be ideal for the book to mix well with the colors of new Studio. By the way, have you selected new design?

EQR
11 Sep 2014
16:22 PM
EQR

Also, Oren, why do sign the book with you real name? Has something changed from the moment of "DSLs in BOO" with "there is 20 Orens Eini and only one Ayende Rahien"?

Ayende Rahien
11 Sep 2014
16:25 PM
Ayende Rahien

EQR, Yes, the new design for the studio is set, you can get that from the new builds. The first cover actually uses the same color scheme. Thanks for your feedback, that is very helpful.

And the decision to go with Ayende vs Oren was made by the Manning, not me. I'm trying to get people to recognize that Oren exists (and writing this statement makes me feel really weird).

Rémy
11 Sep 2014
17:38 PM
Rémy

My biggest problem is with the design, is the raven. It has the shape of a real raven, in contrary to the logo of RavenDB. I see this, not consistent look, all over the place, like in your presentations. It annoys me a lot, because it doesn’t look professional, which gives me the impression that RavenDB is also not professional software. Choose one and stick with it! I prefer the style in the RavenDB logo, because it looks really designed. The real raven gives me a copy-paste feeling.

Daniel Schilling
11 Sep 2014
17:59 PM
Daniel Schilling

In #1, are we following the bird as it leaves orange and maroon in its wake, or is it about to fly over us, and we are shooting a huge volley of orange and maroon at it to try to stop it?

Daniel Schilling
11 Sep 2014
18:05 PM
Daniel Schilling

Silliness aside, I do like the first one a lot, and I do understand that it is leaving maroon pixel-looking things in its wake, which I think does fit with the official RavenDB logo - it's a different shaped bird, but same "pixel-wake" concept.

Sylvain Reverdy
11 Sep 2014
19:20 PM
Sylvain Reverdy

2nd one without the logos inside the polygons. In my point of view, in the first one, the raven seems to send bombs (maybe I am paranoiac)... With the context it seems a bad idea.

Ayende Rahien
11 Sep 2014
19:26 PM
Ayende Rahien

Remy, Thanks for the input. We are actually doing a new style of design for the 3.0, and that is part of that.

Ayende Rahien
11 Sep 2014
19:37 PM
Ayende Rahien

Daniel, Thanks, that is what we are trying to go to, yes. Maybe we need to change the wake to be more pixalized?

James Coffman
11 Sep 2014
21:30 PM
James Coffman

1

mario
12 Sep 2014
06:28 AM
mario

Rémy +1

Phil
12 Sep 2014
08:34 AM
Phil

1 is my favourite!

njy
12 Sep 2014
10:12 AM
njy

@Oren: "Inside raven" uh? Why not a big raven with a tick outline and Inside of it some sort of a schematic view, like a blueprint or something? Sounds nice?

A. Crowley
12 Sep 2014
10:22 AM
A. Crowley

On the second cover, the lovecraftian perspective plus orthogonal god rays from upper left corner gives me headache.

On the other hand, second cover looks more tech, and the easily visible cloud above raven's right wing can attract people thanks to the overrated cloud hype nowadays.

Ayende Rahien
12 Sep 2014
15:34 PM
Ayende Rahien

Njy, thanks, that is a very interesting idea.

Julie Koubová
14 Sep 2014
18:52 PM
Julie Koubová

I like the first one better. Maybe try left-aligning the text, and moving the raven higher up, so there's more space between it and the colourful patches?

Chris Marisic
17 Sep 2014
19:58 PM
Chris Marisic

I agree with the none option. @NJY seems to have a pretty good idea.

I agree with @Rémy that it does not come across as professional using the photo-realistic raven. I further agree the raven-icon in http://ravendb.net/Static/images/logo-ravendb.png is what you really need to use going forward for everything. You need to value your brand and stick with it. Constantly using different things for your brand dilutes it.

Lasty, you just really don't want to be using a photo realistic Raven. At least in the USA the standard view is that a raven symbolizes bad things, they're mean, and to many an ugly animal.

Russell Mason
08 Nov 2014
14:37 PM
Russell Mason

If I had to pick I would say the first, but I agree with Remy and Chris Marisic. I really like the RAVENDB logo and dislike the use of a "real" raven.

Does the statement "We are actually doing a new style of design for the 3.0, and that is part of that" mean you are ditching the existing logo? Please don't!

Any idea when the book will be available?

Russell Mason
08 Nov 2014
17:17 PM
Russell Mason

OK, so I'm way behind the times! I've just got into RavenDB so I've started looking at old posts, for anyone else doing the same in the future see http://ayende.com/blog/168483/final-inside-ravendb-3-0-cover

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