Ayende @ Rahien

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Would you just take my money please?

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I just finished doing my reverse bills. Unlike doing my bills (which are usually handled automatically), this is tracking down who I owe money to that haven’t been paid. I just had three different incidents where I had to call up people and remind them that I probably need to pay them money.

Some highlights from those conversations:

  • Hey, I owe you money, can I pay it already?
  • What do you mean, I don’t owe you money. I say I do, and the customer is always right.
  • You promised that you would send me that invoice, but it isn’t here… What do you mean, it is in the mail?

It feel funny, because some of those talks went along the line of “you own me money”, but what I was trying to get is just an invoice so I could actually pay it. Hell, I had to call my landlord and setup time & place so I can pay for utilities (he has been avoiding that for the last few months). And the last rent check I had to ring him up and ask him why he didn’t deposit the check he had.

It is a funny world we are living at.

On the one hand, I don’t feel it is ethical not to pay, or even to wait until they wake up and remember that they need to be paid. On the other hand, I like that there is enough of a trust that this situation can actually come up.



To sad not all people are thinking and acting like you.

I'm often wondering about people not willing to pay for good software, but loosing their whole salary on gambling :D


Paying your bills is a good thing, but I wouldn't call the IRS/taxman to say I owe them some money. Honesty shouldn't be taken too far.

Simon Martin

These people are grown ups and if they can't be bothered to take your money then that's their choice.

Having said that I also feel it is unethical not to pay (I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end and be waiting for someone to pay an invoice) and would take reasonable steps to attempt to pay. But if they say you don't owe them money then ask for that in writing and hang on to the money. As Rafal says I wouldn't call the taxman!

Diego Jancic

Hey Oren,

If you want free and simple software, you might like http://www.de-bee.com/ which was made by a friend of mine. It's not intended to manage customers, it's just for friends ;-)


Ok, I give up. Pay me.... You owe me one million dollars ;) Can I have that in ones?

Ayende Rahien


Send me the invoice, then we can dispute over that :-)


@Rafal: I agree. There is no trust relationship with IRS/Taxman, either way :)

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