http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660Manu, No, it is report, that is the terminology used. I am reporting on the state of my inmates. And I think we will live with the typo in the mock up for now.http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment14http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment14Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:13:53 GMT@Manu, Actually, I think "Report" is correct for this situation. The users are "reporting" their counts. And that is the mentality I think the actual user will look at the screen with. http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment13http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment13Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:18:23 GMTI assume the "Report" button should be named "Submit Count" because at first glance it looked to me like it would open a report screen. Also, it's not "Inamte id" but "Inmate id"http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment12http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment12Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:58:41 GMTMark, In that case, you have worse problems. But to close the count, you do an External Count with location "Escaped!!!" and the Officer in Charge need to fill in for the Inmate :-)http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment11http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment11Mon, 04 Jul 2011 21:16:13 GMT"A Counting is considered Closed when all the numbers lined up AND all cell blocks have reported in." What happens if a prisoner has escaped? Does the count remain open indefinitely? http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment10http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment10Mon, 04 Jul 2011 21:08:03 GMTMike, The user is the Legal dept and Ops Room, usually. The officers doing the counting will report to the Ops Room, which usually record things. A Counting is considered Closed when all the numbers lined up AND all cell blocks have reported in. Counting too many Inmates is a problem, yes. It isn't _as_ big a problem as Counting too few, but it will also trigger a Recount. That usually does not get recorded as a different Count, it is just a physical Recount that updates the current Count. So yes, they can update their count. Only a single Counting can go on at any given point, yes. As for the External Count. We need to track external Inmates at a very granular level. But for Count Summary, we can just show the higher level information. As long as the numbers line up, we don't care. But, the Count Summary would show each Court as a different line, because each Court is located in a different place, and it impacts how soon those Inmates will go back. Same goes for Hospitals, by the way. Kitchen is an internal location. For External, there is always a single officer who is in command. That doesn't mean that there is only a single officer there, there are always more than that. But there is only one in command, and that is who we care about.http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment9http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment9Mon, 04 Jul 2011 04:30:50 GMTChris, A typical prison like the one I served on has about 120 - 240 inmates per block. You couldn't really do a Named Count 3 times a day, it takes too long. Counts are usually done by lining up all the Inmates and Counting how many are physically present, at which point we consult the gate records to show how many Inmates are in/out of this block.http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment8http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment8Mon, 04 Jul 2011 04:22:00 GMTWho is the intended user of this screen? Will each area report their own count on this screen or is this screen being used to collate counts as they come in? Is a Counting considered complete when counts have been provided for each location, when the numbers all add up or something else? I would guess that counting too many Inmates is just as bad as counting too few. Is that correct? If a count does NOT add up what happens? I guess that a re-count occurs but is that a separate new Counting or part of the current Counting? What if a cell block discovers they have made a mistake? Can they update their count or does that require a complete re-recount? Presumably a single Counting can be in progress at any time. Is that correct? The External Count screen seems to indicate that we keep track of which Court the Inmate is currently at but the Counting table aggregates those Inmates as being at "Court". Is this true for Hospital as well? What about any other external locations. Will they be aggregated too? The main screen had Kitchen listed as a location. Is that considered an external location or an internal one? The external count panel also seems to indicate that each external location will have a single officer in charge. Is that correct?http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment7http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment7Mon, 04 Jul 2011 02:15:41 GMTHow are counts actually performed on the ground, and do you see macto being something you use to help you count, or just something you use to record and validate the count results? In my mind I see a guard walking down the cell block calling out names and checking the person who responds is the prisoner called. I would think Macto could aid in this by showing the guard which prisoners are expected to be in a certain cell / location (hospital, court van etc) and giving them the list of names to call then check off. But that could just be Hollywood prisons.http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment6http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment6Sun, 03 Jul 2011 23:29:14 GMTLuis, That is why you are marking the Out/In as well, it tells you have many Inmate you have beyond/beneath the Rooster. In practice, it tends to sorts itself out.http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment5http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment5Sun, 03 Jul 2011 16:26:42 GMTI guess that OUT column represents the number of inmates who are not in the specific Block.http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment4http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment4Sun, 03 Jul 2011 16:09:51 GMTIf the possibility exists.. then there could arise a situation where one person is counted twice and another is 'missing' but the numbers would line up (Again this is probably even more unlikely but it does seem to be an assumption).. Is this something we'd need handle in the system? Oh wait.. I'm guessing the Out and In column would be used to detect this situation. Wasn't 100% sure what the exact meaning of the Out column was.http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment3http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment3Sun, 03 Jul 2011 15:27:34 GMTLuis, Yes, areas are being counted concurrently, but not immediately. In general, there is a moratorium of movements during Counting, but not always. It is possible that someone would be counted in two places, but unlikely. That is why there is also the "Out" column. The is actually also an "In" column, but I didn't show that. All of those numbers must line up properly.http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment2http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment2Sun, 03 Jul 2011 15:18:48 GMTWith the Internal count.. is there a chance of a person being counted twice? It seems the area counts are not counted at the same time so maybe (I'm just guessing not really sure from a practical point of view) a person could move from open place to another and be counted at both? or is there a lockdown between areas when the count is in progress?http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment1http://ayende.com/55297/macto-counting-is-the-holy-grail#comment1Sun, 03 Jul 2011 15:15:36 GMT