http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660I think that you mistake what I meant by confidence. I am completely certain in the technical details of RavenDB What I am not certain yet is whatever it can be a viable revenue source. http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment7http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment7Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:11:40 GMTAfter reading this post, NO WAY I am going with RavenDB... If you're not confident about it, why should I be? Anyway It seems a data store needs good corporate backup. http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment6http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment6Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:00:26 GMT@John: What I meant in that statement is that there are only 3 [lightweight] service bus platforms in the .NET community right now (unless there are more I don't know about). NSB was included in my list. Whether you are paying money or not does not apply to what I was meaning to ask: To Ayende: do you think you might take advantage of the limited market to make some money on RSB and compete with NSB? http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment5http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment5Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:58:43 GMT@JV The community still has choice. The community that doesn't want to part with money to obtain value will have less choice (for whatever reason that may be). There is a difference. http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment4http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment4Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:55:13 GMTSupporting such a product might be an interesting challenge if you want to only start charging for it when the utilizing application/service goes live. Faq's, blogs, and documentation are a reasonable sunk cost, but they only go so far. Adoption may hinge on getting case-by-case support which will be bloody expensive and time-consuming. I'd expect that most organizations looking to use RDB would pay for consulting / support during their evaluation & development, but I'd imagine this would eat up a considerable amount of your time as interest grows. Ah well, you don't truly learn anything until you venture out into the unknown! :) http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment3http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment3Thu, 19 Aug 2010 04:52:27 GMTDo you see a future market for RSB? I ask because Udi is talking about making NServiceBus commercial. The community doesn't have much choice beyond NSB, RSB and MassTransit. Thoughts? http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment2http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment2Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:42:18 GMTIt seems NH Prof have very specific, but actually wide market due to high usage of NHibernate ORM and simply absence of other real alternatives! That is why you start generate revenue right after release: no real rivals, but whole a lot of potential customers that really SEARCH for profiler for best ORM! With RavenDB I see whole a lot of alternatives (rivals) so it's really seems very risky investment :) More so huge brands like MSFT, Oracle and others will not leave this (NoSQL + document centric DB) market for you in long term :) Personally I think if you just port and extend Apache Solr into .NET, probably you will have bigger market and whole a lot of people can use it right after initial releases and a lot of people that want scale with Lucene probably will be glad to see such engine! In any case, good luck with RavenDB, maybe one day I will not need to use in some projects, combination like MySQL + Memcached + Solr + Lucene + ... and will just use RavenDb instead ;-) http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment1http://ayende.com/4595/contrasting-uberprof-ravendb-from-business-perspective#comment1Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:10:26 GMT