http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660Ayende, I've created an add-in for Visual Studio to make it very easy to add references to gems. Check it out on Visual Studio Gallery. [visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/.../ba0f...](http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/ba0f6da5-3660-4983-b8fb-d5abfc45093e) Kiliman http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment24http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment24Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:19:00 GMTHi, This is way too cool! This will make things much simpler when installing different components. Thanks for creating such a nice tool! http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment23http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment23Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:32:07 GMTAnd just for good measure, I'll remind everyone that there's also OpenWrap, that looks more like bundler than gems. http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment22http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment22Tue, 03 Aug 2010 22:08:43 GMTgoogle groups is anything but decent... http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment21http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment21Tue, 03 Aug 2010 04:37:36 GMT@Dennis @Frank: Decent? [http://groups.google.com/group/nu-net](http://groups.google.com/group/nu-net)http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment20http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment20Tue, 03 Aug 2010 03:48:41 GMTNever understood the name...I still have a domain hanging around called bin4net, since I was working on package management in my spare time, with code-based descriptor and download based on bittorrent, but frankly, hangin' yourself into gems is probably the most efficient option. Would just need a decent entry page such that people like Dennis (and probably me) know how to get the stuff. http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment19http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment19Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:01:31 GMT@Dennis: Check out the links from Rob as there's a page there with a list of the current packages. I looked at a lot of alternatives (including CoApp) and they all try to re-invent the wheel. This one just builds on what's out there. The one wrinkle is that we're pushing gems up to rubygems.org and there's some contention in the community around this. People feel rubygems is for "ruby" gems. Fair enough. There are works underway to get a gem server specifically for .NET. It's just a matter of getting the proper infrastructure in place so it supports the entire .NET community as that's no easy feat. I will look tonight at building a RavenDB gem ;) Thanks to Ayende for liking this approach. Between all the ones out there, this one has the least friction and most potential. Like I said in my post on the subject, .NET developers just need to install Ruby and get over it. It's a non-issue. http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment18http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment18Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:42:33 GMTHow do I update downloaded libs? http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment17http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment17Mon, 02 Aug 2010 07:35:43 GMTI cant get this to work... I just get a .nu dir with a tiny file and nothing else. Cannot find out which packages are available for nu or gem http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment16http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment16Mon, 02 Aug 2010 06:11:09 GMT@Mikael I'm on Windows, and it is still easier - especially when we are taliking about data access. Regards, Marek http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment15http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment15Mon, 02 Aug 2010 05:54:25 GMTYou can also check out the CoApp project (coapp.org) that is building package management for Windows that supports native, .NET, java, and others. I like the simplicity behind the way this works, and we're working on being able to consume gems from inside CoApp as well. http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment14http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment14Mon, 02 Aug 2010 03:45:52 GMTList of gems available: [groups.google.com/.../current-packages](http://groups.google.com/group/nu-net/web/current-packages) The origin of the name is in our FAQs. Something to do with Nubular (like tubular, but short): [http://groups.google.com/group/nu-net/web/faqs](http://groups.google.com/group/nu-net/web/faqs) Join the mailing list if you are interested in setting up packages, etc: [http://groups.google.com/group/nu-net](http://groups.google.com/group/nu-net) http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment13http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment13Mon, 02 Aug 2010 03:43:00 GMTHow about RavenDB as a nu package? http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment12http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment12Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:59:22 GMT@Mikael Windows - we dont need no stinkin Windows.. http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment11http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment11Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:40:25 GMTIs this all setup to get the latest trunk versions or the latest stable releases? http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment10http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment10Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:06:59 GMT@marek, I fail to see how Ruby is easier. It's a pain to get setup on a windows machine but maybe you are not on windows? http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment9http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment9Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:25:03 GMTI love it :) I think .NET developers, especially web developers should really take a look on Ruby on Rails. It is so much easier at RoR side... I'd like to see someday integrated ActiveRecord for ASP.NET as we have it on for Rails. It could be Castle ActiveRecord, NH, whatever, the most important thing it should not required too much configuration as it requires at the moment. Thanks, Marek http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment8http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment8Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:53:04 GMTAh, but ILMerge doesn't always end well. See this post today from Udi Dahan: [feedproxy.google.com/.../AYF4Qwl_AXs/](http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/UdiDahan-TheSoftwareSimplist/~3/AYF4Qwl_AXs/) http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment7http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment7Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:49:03 GMT"it is going to make things so much simpler!" Just a thought - it would also make things simpler if there weren't so many dependencies. Castle.X.dll, log4net, the fluent dlls, the linq dlls... I understand *technically* why we have all the dependencies, but it does create an unnecessarily large barrier to entry for the layman. For quite a while there, if you wanted to use Linq with nHibernate, you had to figure out just the right mixture of dlls. It's really the sort of thing ILMerge was invented for. http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment6http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment6Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:40:55 GMTGreat and simple. The only small problem is the dependency on Ruby, but I can live with that. -I will check this out right away. http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment5http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment5Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:18:25 GMTThis is certainly kinda cool, but IMHO a package management would only be useful if it's part of the OS. This will probably never happen to Microsoft, but I wish, I could just do: apt-get install RavenDB and it would just install .NET 4.0, log4net, Lucene.Net, Escent and whatever else is required. http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment4http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment4Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:04:32 GMT@Will: Possible sysadmin scenario: 1-Set up an internal gem server 2-Authorize QA to publish tested & approved Gems 3-Deploy Gems in production/staging with all dependencies solved. I'm not sure if something like that could be achieved, but it would ease things a lot. http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment3http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment3Sun, 01 Aug 2010 16:59:28 GMTAyende: Awesome find. Thanks for that. Tobi: Sorry, no, MSIs are trying to solve an entirely different problem. I can just hear the screams from sysadmins on any non-trivial network who're told they an now install software this way. http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment2http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment2Sun, 01 Aug 2010 10:28:29 GMTGreat. MSIs should work that way too. http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment1http://ayende.com/4569/package-management-for-net-nu#comment1Sun, 01 Aug 2010 10:19:40 GMT