http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660I hear ya. Personally I would use NH too, and while I had nothing to do with NH I am biased as well. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment15http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment15Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:10:39 GMTSuedeuno, I created this because there is a large market, personally I would use NH, but then I am biased. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment14http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment14Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:26:07 GMTI didn't even know you were working on this. I must have been under a rock. Interesting, does this mean EF has gained meaningful confidence? I know v4 has reduced the shortcomings of poco and lazy loading to some degree but I hadn't actually heard many alt.netters come out and support it much yet. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment13http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment13Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:23:38 GMTI totally see the personal license advantage from my point of view as a user, but I also see the disadvantage from Ayende's PoV. Selling a cheaper personal license will mean that a lot of businesses will just buy personal licenses instead, regardless of if they're supposed to or not. So unless the personal version is sufficently crippled in some way it will mean a direct hit in the sale to the existing target group. The question then is if the sale of the new personal licences will cover that loss. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment12http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment12Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:27:32 GMT+1 for Ronald's idea about a personal license. I would buy a personal license in a heartbeat for use at home where I need it as a learning tool. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment11http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment11Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:21:04 GMT@dan and @kris - some people call that "local color"...I think it adds to the Ayende experience ;) nit pick all you want, but don't miss the value of Ayende's posts. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment10http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment10Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:26:34 GMTRonald, That is something that is under consideration, yes. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment9http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment9Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:16:42 GMTKris, The fun part about this blog. No one forces you to read it. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment8http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment8Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:16:10 GMTDan, I don't know why, buy not & now is something that I keep confusing. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment7http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment7Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:15:30 GMTWhat would be interesting, now that there are 3 profilers, is to compare the results of all 3 using the recommended best practices for each framework. the interesting part would be seeing if there are any differences in the final sql produced the execution plan(s) the complexity of the code for the query(s) the complexity of the mapping I think this would begin highlight the trade-offs between each framework. Personally I can't see how EF or L2S can compete with NH, but you never know. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment6http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment6Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:22:35 GMTHa ha, but I wish I was. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment5http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment5Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:41:02 GMTYeah, I think he means 'now'. When is 'uberProf' going to be available so that I can buy the whole thing, not just specific versions. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment4http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment4Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:19:42 GMTYour typos become more painful with each post. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment3http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment3Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:11:17 GMTHave you considered a much cheaper license for personal use? I'd love to own a license for the whole set to twiddle around. I'm sure it serves as a good introduction to 'upgrade' to the full license when it comes to real projects. http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment2http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment2Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:06:09 GMTIs *not* or is *now* in public beta? http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment1http://ayende.com/4323/entity-framework-profiler-is-now-in-public-beta#comment1Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:46:51 GMT