http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660Adrian, The first two are Inmates. We don't currently hold the full authorization for the second case, but that authorization exists, just out of the system (typically, we hold someone and get an Arrest Warrant from one of the Captains in the prison itself, or the paperwork is on its way, etc). The last case doesn't happen for our prison, but if it would, he would also be an Inmate. http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment12http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment12Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:50:03 GMTAyende - it sounds like we are developing a good customer - developer relationship :| I don't understand... it sounds like you are talking about 3 categories. - Inmate - 'happy path' if there is such a thing - Inmate - the dude who we can't reject as the prison commandant has decided to accept , but still needs to be processed to turn him into an lawfully incarcerated prisoner or rejected (the guy the who meets @Paul Hatcher's status of waiting for additional info till he can be dealt with as an inmate) - Not an inmate - the dude who the police\army just have to deal with and put into a lock-up for 24hrs until he sobers up (not sure if this is a common thing, but as I have just been out for drinks it seems like a reasonable scenario). Or is this just the random tangent that developers seem to get attached to... if so why ?http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment11http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment11Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:41:16 GMTThomas, The mockups were created by Balsamiqhttp://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment10http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment10Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:16:27 GMTAdrian, Yes, the first is an Inmate. The second is not an Inmate :-) http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment9http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment9Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:15:31 GMTPaul that feeds into the discussion on codebetter on task based UIs - be interesting to hear your thoughts there http://codebetter.com/iancooper/2011/07/15/why-crud-might-be-what-they-want-but-may-not-be-what-they-need/#commentshttp://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment8http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment8Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:26:57 GMTThis reminds me of a discussion with a previous boss about structured vs unstructured work. Lots of computer systems assume that they are about structured work, i.e. hard and fast rules that can be applied at the point of data entry, but most of the interesting stuff is around unstructured work, i.e. data arrives as and when and you have to capture it. Eventually, you move onto a structured workflow, but it's important not to put arbitrary barriers in the way of data capture, otherwise it just ends up on post it notes attached to the monitor until the (inflexible) system can accept it. The one I remember this from was a freight forwarding system where you had to have the ability to raise a new job based on just an airway bill number or a shipping container, didn't even know the client yet, but then as more information arrives the job gets filled in. The barrier in this case was invoicing - there's certain requirements to invoice and it wouldn't let you progress the job until all these were methttp://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment7http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment7Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:31:10 GMT@Thomas It looks like Balsamiq (http://balsamiq.com/)http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment6http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment6Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:42:57 GMTWhat program did you use to create the ui mock?http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment5http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment5Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:07:50 GMT@KingsDad Agreed, I read this with great interest; nothing kills inspiration more than "Northwind and Pubs". BTW for those who aren't in on the joke, "Ani Ashem" means "I am guilty". A friend of mine spent time as a prison chaplain in Israel. Inmates used to whine to him "Ani (I am) chaf(innocent) mipesha(of crime)" i.e innocent. Their fellow inmates would laugh and say "Ata (you) chai (live) mipesha (from crime)". http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment4http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment4Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:38:12 GMTSo it sounds like you have two categories for a valid chain of lawful incarceration. -an inmate who's route to the prison who has followed a lawful process and meets criteria for the specific prison. -an inmate who has arrived at the prison without meeting following a lawful process or does not meet specific criteria for the prison. Are there accepted words used to describe the two categories ?http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment3http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment3Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:14:31 GMTFeed me more....I can't wait 3 MORE days.http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment2http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment2Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:01:18 GMTThis is going to be interesting. A process oriented app, instead of a plain-data oriented one.http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment1http://ayende.com/43009/macto-let-s-create-an-inmate#comment1Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:58:36 GMT