http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660You could send yourself an email with the contents of those chat logs. I've done this for all sorts of different information I want to store. Always interesting to see what ads google displays. :) http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment12http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment12Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:37:49 GMT@james it's all about risk management. I'm happy to take that risk. If I planned and did everything based around "one day this random thing could happen", I'd be a blubbering ball in the corner of the room. http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment11http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment11Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:18:46 GMTI "see myself" in this post as well, but I throw here few of my observation...(been using gmail from the first invitation era) 1. gmail talk (I know it's __not about voice IM here) is probably the worst VOIP client I have ever used, and I've used/tried a lot of them. Horrible voice quality/reception at its peak, so I completely given up on having this client installed... 2. which brings us to "we're using it just for chat" or "I use my gmail account to chat with another user of gmail account", so let me warn you. Messages you sent to the other person get lost from time to time periodically. I haven't been able to find why is this happening, whether if you type very fast (like me) or use SSL all the time (gmail settings)... I'm loosing some sentences from time to time (e.g. the person I'm chatting to never sees one sentence, say out of 100) via gmail chat... that's why I'm not using chat for critical things (copy/paste/urls) because sometimes the other guy isn't reacting at all (haven't received anything) and I still wonder whethere he/she's gone... strange you won't notice it, unless you send your chat history to the other guy for comparison, and he's wondering that he sees 2 sentences he never saw via chat I know it's nitpick, but sometimes it is important for the other side to see everything I have written 3. as for message archiving, taking notes or to-do list and so on, GMAIL is the greatest product on earth there is ;) I abandoned bookmarks/delicio.us & comp and just search my account ;) sorry for the long post http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment10http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment10Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:42:02 GMTNic it's not about redundancy but about Gmail one day terminating service http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment9http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment9Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:29:02 GMTAnd yet, corporate policy many places mandates a 90-day scrub of old emails. I'd lose it if I couldn't look back 3 months on an issue that crops up again. /me Proudly ducking corporate policy http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment8http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment8Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:45:14 GMTI recently converted a small business client over to Google Apps, primarily for their email hosting services. They wanted to go with Exchange/Outlook, but I convinced them otherwise. It's been a year and they absolutely love it. There are plugins for sync'ing address books, calendars, etc, and they work great. Even better are the IPhone apps that sync everything as well. It's all self contained and they only have to manage it in one place. Nothing gets lost. Everything is accessible. Google is awesome! http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment7http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment7Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:49:39 GMTI love gmail since the day I used it (2004). Now I have 900k emails (excluding chat items) in my inbox. I use gmail to backup my usernames and passwords for various sites, I use it to store files and other applications. Gmail is the best, really. http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment6http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment6Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:08:56 GMTAs Rob mentions, if you use Google Talk, your chats are automatically saved and indexed in Google Mail. This is fantastic. Windows Live Messenger has no such thing, AFAIK. I hate having to dig out old WLM chats. http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment5http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment5Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:25:16 GMT@James: you can do it with IMAP, which is kinda slow, but it works. Other than that: I beleive google is working on something to do it. At the moment, I trust google enough to not back it up myself. Given they use the very same service for their own internal mail, I'd suggest that it's going to be more robust than any combination of me, my hard disk, any online backup, or any ISP I care to "sign up" with. http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment4http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment4Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:07:43 GMTBefore gmail (well, before I moved 100% to it), I had my own exchange server and email archiving setup (I worked for a company who made email archiving software, so I was dogfooding). Having everything - EVERYTHING - going back to 2000 was unbelievably convenient. All in about 5GB of SQL database (mine and my wife's). Once I moved to gmail, I used the product's PST export feature and imported all that mail into gmail (premier edition of google apps). 104000 emails later (40K for her), I have it all in gmail. Indexed, tagged [archive], searchable, findable. From 2009 to 2000. Priceless. At a guess, I have around 150-200K messages in gmail (around 3.5GB)... Bottom line for me: if you are using Exchange, get an email archive, ESPECIALLY if you are a small company (I know of a good one... :) ). If you are using gmail, get as much stuff into it as you can..... the more you add, the more value it has. :) (best thing about gmail: I dont see spam. EVER) http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment3http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment3Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:05:27 GMTCurious, how do you back up GMail? http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment2http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment2Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:34:06 GMTYes, I'm constantly referring to old GMail chats and messages for information that I would have otherwise lost. I'm looking forward to using Google Voice to keep records of old calls as well. http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment1http://ayende.com/4300/does-history-matters#comment1Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:53:17 GMT