http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660Make it a real patch http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment13http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment13Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:50:51 GMT+ public class AliasToEntityResultTransformer : AliasToBeanResultTransformer {} http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment12http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment12Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:30:24 GMTCan we just do easier things like : Lazy Loading Providers have "bytecode" in their name. We know .NET generates IL not bytecodes. I know they are not biggies but just satisfies .NET soul :) http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment11http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment11Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:35:29 GMTWhile we're here, can you just tidy up NHforge or throw it away and replace it with something like the Spring.Net project site. NHforge is a veritable mess the moment with incorrect or incomplete documentation (NH validator for example) and old software downloads. I think community server doesn't help there. http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment10http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment10Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:47:43 GMTCould not agree more. The more the two platforms (.NET and Java) have similar API-s, the better. http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment9http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment9Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:44:55 GMTYes please, make nhforge first result when you google nhibernate, and make two big buttons on nhforge homepage. 1 download : sourceforge dl on current version 2 help : nhibernate googlegroups forum http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment8http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment8Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:06:04 GMTIt is sucky. You google "NHibernate" and you get garbage. You google "NHForge" and the first two hits are the NHibernate documentation and a first application wiki. (The NHforge home page isn't even a result which is kinda odd). I don't actually visit NHForge (I don't know why not... it seems like it should be a regular visit for NH users) so I always get amusement that I google 'nhforge' to get the nhibernate docs. http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment7http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment7Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:06:01 GMTWow Eyston, I didn't know there were updated docs for NH 2.1 at NHForge precisely for the reason you say - I generally use google and NHForge NEVER comes up for NH docs! Thanks for giving me that link! Btw, was there always a link to updated documentation on the NHForge page? I don't remember seeing the "Read the Manual" link before now. http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment6http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment6Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:51:40 GMTYou say documentation, I seem to remember a certain blog series about how to use nhibernate, and how many people responded with 'didn't know that'.. I also don't think the documentation goes far enough to set a frame of mind for someone, like, hello I'm mr a, I've been told an orm will help with my problems, whats the position of nhibernate, what is it trying to help me do, and what is it doing. http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment5http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment5Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:59:21 GMT[http://www.nhforge.org/doc/nh/en/index.html](http://www.nhforge.org/doc/nh/en/index.html) The documentation at nhforge is good and up to date. The problem is googling for NHibernate rarely returns them (they are new and probably not ranked well by google). [http://nhibernate.deepgrok.com/](http://nhibernate.deepgrok.com/) This search site is also available, but I haven't made much use of it yet. http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment4http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment4Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:58:11 GMTI think one of the biggest advantages of having parallel development with Hibernate is having relevant documentation. Whenever I've needed to find documentation for NHibernate I've almost always ended up reading Hibernate docs which while occasionally don't always match up exactly with NHibernate functionality they are 95% of the way there, the rest you can deduce either from experience of by the useful exceptions that NHibernate will throw when the configuration isn't correct. For open source software, especially a product as large as NHibernate, documentation is key and being able to leverage Hibernate docs is a huge advantage and not one that should be overlooked. http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment3http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment3Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:46:05 GMTI really hate javaisms, but don't think nhibernate is really that bad, lucene.net for example is basically java pasted into c# and adapted to compile (from what I can see).. it really sticks out to me. http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment2http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment2Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:37:15 GMTI think part of this might be born out of the maturity NHibernate has achieved. When it was new the advantage of being able to borrow heavily from the Hibernate code base is more obvious. With 2.1 (and earlier really...) NHibernate seems to do nearly everything. I'm curious what direction the project is heading with 3.0. http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment1http://ayende.com/4116/emancipating-nhibernate-from-hibernate#comment1Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:07:25 GMT