http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660Any news about community available version of NH Prof? :) http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment44http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment44Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:51:20 GMTYou'll be able in a few weeks. http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment43http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment43Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:32:43 GMTWhere i can get link to download and try this soft? http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment42http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment42Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:16:36 GMTMatt, Then functionality will be there, but not directly. http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment41http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment41Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:58:06 GMTBut will NH Prof have some of that functionality? Specifically around transposing SQL and HQL queries? That is a very useful function. http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment40http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment40Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:50:11 GMTMatt, I am no longer maintaining NHQA. Mostly because I don't have any interest in doing so. If you want to send a patch that would do that, I would be grateful http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment39http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment39Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:19:04 GMTIs this tool meant to replace NHibernate Query Analyzer or to compliment it? I noticed that QA hasn't been updated to support NHib 2.0 GA. Is that planned? http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment38http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment38Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:14:35 GMTReally cool project. Actually I'm working on compating NHibernate, Entity Framwework and some other ORM tools in my freetime. Too bad there aren't any tools for other ORM frameworks (at least none I know). http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment37http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment37Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:38:21 GMTAyende... you are THE man ! http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment36http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment36Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:22:39 GMTHey Ayende, Looks like you have almost all your documentation complete! :) Hope all is well in NJ Regards, J http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment35http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment35Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:36:43 GMTSteve, Yes, the UI is WPF. I'll have a couple of posts about that today. As for source licensing, probably so, if people really want it. http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment34http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment34Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:14:06 GMTLooks fantastic, a definite must for using NHibernate. Is the UI done with WPF ? As mentioned above: "The backend itself is structured following the zero friction mode" Please share when you have time! Will you include a license that includes the source ? http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment33http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment33Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:11:39 GMTGreat tool, It is really awesome and it could really helps people to better understand how NH is performing for our application, I love the part where you detect problems and gives suggestions :D Another Great Work from Ayende| alk. http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment32http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment32Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:26:25 GMTAlso it is very likely that your target audience (or at least a large part) are actually companies using NHibernate in their development projects. Now for these companies a 200$ price tag is a 'normal' license cost per developer. So in my eyes 200$ is surely not to much. My irritation goes to those (and it is not just here, you will see them everywhere) people that never want to pay for anything, even if they most likely can afford it ;) You cannot expect everybody to do everything for free, they have to earn a living too, just be happy with what you do get for free. And I am sure that if indeed you cannot pay and you are truly using it for Open Source and you are contributing to the community, then you might be able to find a sponsor for it. Hey maybe even Oren would give you a break. -Mark http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment31http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment31Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:47:03 GMTWhy should you consider a global audience - you only have to consider developers who would actually pay for the software in the first place. If it was "world-priced" at $50 then he potentially earns much less money since the developers in emerging market countries are unlikely to buy it anyway and you now have to sell 4x the quantity to make up for the price drop. http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment30http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment30Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:25:28 GMT"The stack trace will let you correlate a query and the code that generated it" Love it http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment29http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment29Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:51:11 GMTAt the risk of starting a flame war i will make one reply regarding the price / license. First I believe Ayende was asking for feedback and I was making a suggestion. I did not say “$200 is too expensive”. Secondly while we are on the topic "$200 is a bargain". Well thats $200US correct? Well $200USD is relative to your locality. Taking into account exchange rates and average income for developers that can be a large amount of money for some countries. For example india or Malaysia. Now I am not pretending to have a solution to this but when pricing software that is targeted at a global audience you should consider what your global audience can afford. Thirdly “cheaper for open source”. Many open source projects like to make use of various tools, addins and other software. Whenever you choose a tool to help facilitate development of an OSS you create a barrier of entry. The reason is that, ideally, all contributors will have access to this tool. The larger the cost the higher the barrier or entry. For an example: I have seen some projects recently who state in their guidelines “No resharper warnings in code”. So if I don’t have resharper I cant contribute? Finally I would pay $200 USD. Even though with the GEC and the drop in our dollar it will now cost me almost 30% more than it would have couple of months ago. http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment28http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment28Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:16:33 GMTI believe you could sell it for more than 250$ and still find a good bunch of interested (and happy) customers and NHibernate users. Congratulations for your work, it seems awesome! http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment27http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment27Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:27:17 GMTRidicules! Why has everything to be free or very cheap? Open source is great, but look at how much he is already giving to the community, not just the tools/utilities but also all the sharing of knowledge. Stop whining, if you like the tool and want to use it just pay the small fee, it’s not like he is ripping you off. -Mark http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment26http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment26Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:08:49 GMTLooks incredible. $200 is a bargain. http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment25http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment25Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:06:59 GMTperhaps a split the license?? -a commercial one -and a cheaper one for people only intending to use it only for OSS projects http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment24http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment24Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:18:57 GMTJust if you miss it, you are misspelling Session in the left upper pane... Looks great though! http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment23http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment23Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:35:59 GMTYou know what would be REALLY cool... an extra tab for the underlying database execution plan. Would also be nice if you could group by statement template, e.g. SELECT x,y FROM table WHERE z=? occured 7 times, fastest was 8ms, slowest was 1200ms. http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment22http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment22Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:22:08 GMTYes, I'll speak about this. And books takes up _so much time_, that I don't think I'll commit for another one any time soon http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment21http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment21Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:20:01 GMT@Ayende The backend itself is structured following the zero friction mode That is exactly the kind of thigs I'd love to read about :). OT. Have you considered writing a book on architecture after you're done with the current one? I'm serious. http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment20http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment20Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:15:19 GMTSergey, I am investing a LOT of time and money in it. I would like to recoup my investment and actually get paid for doing the work http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment19http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment19Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:04:07 GMTOren, That was actually the question. Why not OSS? NH would benefit from having a tool like this. Or maybe, you plan to support other ORMappers as well? http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment18http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment18Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:02:24 GMTSergey, This is not an OSS project, it is a commercial one. http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment17http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment17Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:59:08 GMTWhy not NH Contrib? http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment16http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment16Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:54:56 GMTMarc, I don't actually have this type of information when I am capturing the queries. And since I want to remain DB independent, I am not likely to be able to get it. If this will be an important feature, I'll add this, but for now, I am focusing on giving high level view, not necessarily all the details http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment15http://ayende.com/3670/nh-prof-a-guided-tour#comment15Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:56:45 GMT