http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660Awesomeo! The only thing I don't like about another js library is the fact it has repeated code. If they're going to distribute and integrate, get rid of the duplicate code in ajax.asp.net. http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment16http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment16Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:14:33 GMTIt's a good sign but that's it for now. This isn't really a Microsoft product it's more of a project that they sponsor, or that's how I see it. Wake me up when they incorporate open source into an actual shipped project, you know when we actually see a license text file in the folder or something. http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment15http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment15Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:16:51 GMTIan Joyce wrote: Who cares? I could use JQuery before Microsoft "blessed" it. Very true. Of course, if you've ever tried to use JQuery with ASP.NET Ajax, you know there are some finicky issues to deal with there; they don't always play nicely together. The announcement implies that Microsoft will modify their controls to work with JQuery in a more integrated fashion, which can only be seen as a net positive. http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment14http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment14Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:48:07 GMTIs this a repeat of "Embrace, Extend and Extinguish"? http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment13http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment13Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:47:11 GMTYou are absolutely right - the most interesting thing about this is that it indicates MS may be shifting their stance and actually starting to support the Alt.NET community properly, rather than just being inspired by / 'ripping off' their ideas and reimplementing internally. http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment12http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment12Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:39:01 GMTGood news indeed! Microsoft are really opening up to open source. Hopefully they'll stop copying open source projects (except when they actually have a better piece of software). So many man hours wasted building MS Unit Testing, IOC-container Unity , poor ORMs, horific source control systems etc. But overall delighted with the direction Microsoft is taking! http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment11http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment11Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:24:14 GMTMS is finally moving in the right direction. IMHO, the same decision should have been applied to NHibernate as well... http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment10http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment10Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:47:33 GMTWho cares? I could use JQuery before Microsoft "blessed" it. http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment9http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment9Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:30:21 GMTI agree with firefly; I highly doubt Microsoft will ever use GPL, but the fact that jQuery is also released under MIT makes it more palatable to Microsoft. Heck, Microsoft may negotiate its own license. http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment8http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment8Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:34:19 GMTThe Oss aspect was metioned in my local user group. lots of very surprised people, including myself. http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment7http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment7Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:35:43 GMTI think it's a very exciting path Microsoft is taking. When they first announced their new ways (embracing open source, instead of locking it out) people were sceptical. Now look at things like codeplex, the .NET source being fully accessible (although with a restrictive license), the various blogs of important Microsoft figures (or do the blogs MAKE them more important?). I think this might very well mean that jQuery will become the definitive javascript library, or at least give it a good few steps extra over the likes of prototype etc. http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment6http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment6Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:27:40 GMTI asked a question about that exact point on the Hanselman's comment thread but it got drowned out by all the "oohaa! thats awesome" posts. http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment5http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment5Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:06:54 GMTPhil Haack wrote some things on Rhino Mocks, but I think he went for Moq eventually because it fits his preferred way of testing (state based testing) better. See [http://haacked.com/tags/rhino+mocks/default.aspx](http://haacked.com/tags/rhino+mocks/default.aspx)http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment4http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment4Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:35:15 GMTI think it's good news for open source guys. Who knows that your open source product will be on the list. Rhino mock is a good candidate. In fact some Microsoft guys already use Rhino mock for demo purpose in their blogs, aren't they? http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment3http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment3Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:12:35 GMTThe fact that they needed to include an official jQuery support shows why it's probably not that easy to incorporate OSS projects. Or was it really necessary? http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment2http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment2Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:05:07 GMTI was wondering for a second when I didn't see a post from you on it. I saw some people raise some question on ScottGu blog regarding MS stance on OS. I wonder if this is possible because of the MIT license... http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment1http://ayende.com/3616/on-jquery-microsoft#comment1Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:56:23 GMT