http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660So, anybody tried Refactor! Pro? Their list of refactorings looks pretty impressive.. http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment19http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment19Wed, 28 May 2008 07:30:54 GMThttp://martinfowler.com/bliki/CannotMeasureProductivity.html I find that the productivity raiser in tools like resharper has a lot to do with how they help you deal with mistakes (think: rename). This means that a coder who makes a lot of mistakes may see a greater productivity increase. In other words, your devs may not become that much more productive with Re#. If you hired me, otoh, you could probably see something like a 5000% productivity improvement. Of course, I would charge a premium rate for such amazing productivity increasing potential! ;-) /Mats http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment18http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment18Mon, 26 May 2008 11:50:25 GMTUlu, As I understand it CodeRush is code generation tool so it shouldn't be compared with Resharper. DevExpress has Refactor! Pro and it is more suited to be compared with Resharper. http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment17http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment17Sun, 25 May 2008 17:53:05 GMTAlex: don't they have a separate VB edition? By the way, has anybody worked with DevExpress' CodeRush? How does it compare to R#? http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment16http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment16Sun, 25 May 2008 10:29:06 GMTI've seen atleast 3 times the increase in productivity in terms of refactoring operations. Move and Rename are unbelievably time saving. The other gains I've experienced have been more due to how well R# supports the TDD process via it's tooling. Auto-creation of methods, classes, etc. Saves a good deal of time and allows me to focus more on the design aspect of TDD. http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment15http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment15Sun, 25 May 2008 03:51:23 GMTPetar, remember that 83.27% of the statistics are made up on the spot ;). Although R# is a great tool and saves a lot of typing, majority of the work happens inside the developer's head. Productivity boost comes from a responsive environment that does not get into your way - R# is pretty good at making a good code editor out of VS2008. Ideally, I would like to have R# for Notepad++, to get faster load times :) http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment14http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment14Sat, 24 May 2008 02:25:46 GMTwhere is the jetbrains ide http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment13http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment13Fri, 23 May 2008 17:08:06 GMTLuis, Yes, I also was under impression that Oren was a little sarcastic. Anyway I wasn't looking for some precise number, but for general feedback in productivity gain from developers that use R#. Regards, Petar http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment12http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment12Fri, 23 May 2008 14:02:23 GMTI don't believe in such precise numbers. I hope this is not more than funny - to put such qualified numbers. BTW, how do you think how much MS can pay and will to Re# team to incorporate their work into VS.vNEXT? =) http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment11http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment11Fri, 23 May 2008 13:56:53 GMTOr he could have pulled an absurdly precise number out of thin air as a zen way of highlighting out the impossibility of deriving such a distilled quantification that has any meaning. http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment10http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment10Fri, 23 May 2008 13:50:14 GMTt800t8, My guess would be that R# keeps this statistic and shows it on demand. http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment9http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment9Fri, 23 May 2008 13:29:39 GMTVB.NET 9.0 programmers can ignore this announcement. http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment8http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment8Fri, 23 May 2008 13:18:40 GMTI guess Oren calculated from the number of characters you need to type. http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment7http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment7Fri, 23 May 2008 12:55:21 GMTJoking aside, how did you get the 351.54 % ? http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment6http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment6Fri, 23 May 2008 11:56:39 GMT> 351.54% productivity increase. So you went to sleep and in the morning R# finished the project ? :)) http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment5http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment5Fri, 23 May 2008 09:29:41 GMTThey counted it here: http://blog.noop.se/2008/05/22/ReSharper+40+Beta+Is+Out.aspx So for that case, the number is something like 326% However, if we add live templates, create from usage, extract method refactoring, the number could be something like 400% or more. http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment4http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment4Fri, 23 May 2008 08:52:33 GMT351.54% productivity increase. http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment3http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment3Fri, 23 May 2008 07:32:24 GMTMy team is looking for ways of increasing productivity. Could you or others give some estimation of productivity gain when using Resharper compared to using plain VS2008 ? Thanks in advance. Petar http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment2http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment2Fri, 23 May 2008 06:24:24 GMTYou should definately get the latest. Starting with the one they labeled release candidate I have noticed a significant speed increase over the other nightly drops. http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment1http://ayende.com/3333/resharper-4-0-in-now-in-beta#comment1Fri, 23 May 2008 01:40:41 GMT