http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660Try this: http://www.paulgraham.com/good.html http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment8http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment8Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:09:33 GMTYou're right, and I know better. My apologies. http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment7http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment7Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:46:12 GMT>As I mentioned during the talk at the conference, I think we >need to focus less on directly funding open source projects >(and dedicated OSS developers) and more on convincing >large-scale companies to choose OSS over commercial >(particularly Microsoft) software. Please stop doing this. The opposite term of OSS is not commercial software. Open source software *is* commercial software. The opposite term is *proprietary*. http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment6http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment6Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:30:52 GMTAs I mentioned during the talk at the conference, I think we need to focus less on directly funding open source projects (and dedicated OSS developers) and more on convincing large-scale companies to choose OSS over commercial (particularly Microsoft) software. If more .NET developers use OSS day-to-day (because it is the best tool for the job at hand), OSS will improve, rapidly, without any direct funding. I know this means developers don't get to spend all day for weeks or months on end working on OSS. But I don't think that's always helpful in the first place. It is dangerous to develop any sort of software that you don't actually use in a real-world way. You might be concerned that this will cover the smaller changes and fixes for an OSS project, but not the big (v.Next-type) changes. I think if more and larger companies were using .NET OSS the opportunities would present themselves. Time would prove me right or wrong. http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment5http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment5Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:32:45 GMTAs a variation of Grants, Bounties can be interesting and have the nice side effect of adding new contributors to the project. Instead of asking Oren to add feature X to to the project, a monetary prize could be offered to whoever contribute that feature (first?). http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment4http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment4Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:56:40 GMTOpen source doesn't need to bee free. ExtJs is a good example (although extjs is company). The main problem with OSS is the documentation and tutorieals. And I'm willing to pay for it. (and did it before). http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment3http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment3Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:19:30 GMTYes, NHQ is great, it should be merged into nhibernate :) I think some some cases NHQ beats the LINQ syntax (for example when querying across relations). I think the issue of oss funding and almost more importantly commercial support services for oss projects is a critical issue that the .NET community and Microsoft need to solve if the .NET platform is going to stay competitive compared to java. I think a trend in enterprise companies is a move away from single supplier dependence (i.e. Microsoft), and what that really means is a move toward java and open source. http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment2http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment2Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:38:17 GMTOne thought: Seems sponsership would be a good route, selling that the product gives them advertisement & good reputation leading to paid work/support ? imo, this means stable & documentation. btw I would pay for your NQG :) (if I could figure out how to use it - :) I'm using ms mvc w/spring.net & nhibernate - I like the linq syntax, but I'm on NH 1.2 (sorry for shorthand type - I'm holding my 2 yr old & typing w/1 hand) http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment1http://ayende.com/3282/funding-open-source-projects#comment1Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:26:03 GMT