http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660Seems nice and intuitive to me, but I don't guess where/when it should be used. If you prefer MonoRail for new stuff, I suppose Igloo is best suited for legacy code. The problem I see is people having a false sensation of security about their code because they are using a MVC framework and have their controllers tested. Then there is a 90% probabilities of the app failing for some webforms lifecycle issue, specially with ObjectDataSource control and similars. It's definitely impossible to test the behavior of the app http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment10http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment10Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:29:11 GMTSeems nice and intuitive to me, but I don't guess where/when it should be used. If you prefer MonoRail for new stuff, I suppose Igloo is best suited for legacy code. The problem I see is people having a false sensation of security about their code because they are using a MVC framework and have their controllers tested. Then there is a 90% probabilities of the app failing for some webforms lifecycle issue, specially with ObjectDataSource control and similars. It's definitely impossible to test the behavior of the app http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment9http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment9Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:29:10 GMTAntonio , Check my post on MVC for Web Forms for why this is not likely. http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment8http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment8Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:55:26 GMTI think that NStuts is good MVC for webform. What do you think? http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment7http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment7Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:34:53 GMTAyende, Could you please post a sample windsor config for setting up the basic facilities/components for this. I've tried to port the config I had for Castle.Igloo but I've stuffed something up. http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment6http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment6Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:34:14 GMTHow easy is it to start using this with an existing application? One of the reason I cannot start using Monorail on existing projects is the large amount of existing web/user controls that we have. I am will have to investigate Igloo more. One problem with the dependency on Rhino Commons is that that is dependent on the trunk of Castle and nhibernate which is a little problem for me (I would prefer to run from the stable releases for production apps). http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment5http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment5Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:13:31 GMTMatt, I don't care much for the distinction, but as far as I am aware, MVP means that the presenter is also concerned with (at least) some presentation concerns (view.ShowUserDetails(), frex). http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment4http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment4Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:11:39 GMTAyende, What you've described here seems more like MVP. How do you draw up the distinction between MVC and MVP? As you've noted, MVC is pretty much impossible with WebForms. Perfect timing, BTW, I was just starting to dig into Rhino Igloo... http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment3http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment3Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:53:10 GMTI'll make you a deal, you write the Rhino ETL UI, and I'll give you one Ent Edition R3 Rhino Suite, how does it sounds? http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment2http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment2Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:02:51 GMTLet's cut the promotional bullshit. How much for the entire Rhino Suite? I want the Enterprise Edition which includes Rhino.ETL, of course. http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment1http://ayende.com/2756/rhino-igloo-mvc-framework-for-web-forms#comment1Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:51:53 GMT