Ayende @ Rahienhttp://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660Evan commented on A session that I would like to see@jdn, I have the same standard for tooling from any vendor, regardless if it's OSS or not. If it causes more pain than good, it quickly gets tossed. Generally speaking, the MS stuff is very hard to toss (ie.. WebForms, ADO.NET, etc), so if it causes pain, it gets wrapped and/or abstracted. Testability and Maintainability are my biggest concerns for developer pain. http://ayende.com/2724/a-session-that-i-would-like-to-see#comment6http://ayende.com/2724/a-session-that-i-would-like-to-see#comment6Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:11:29 GMTjdn commented on A session that I would like to see@Evan Out of curiosity, do you have the same attitude towards OSS offerings? http://ayende.com/2724/a-session-that-i-would-like-to-see#comment5http://ayende.com/2724/a-session-that-i-would-like-to-see#comment5Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:38:37 GMTDamien Guard commented on A session that I would like to seeI have been asking myself who they have in mind when they come up with some technologies for lately especially the .NET Framework 3.0 and some of the P&P bits. [)amien http://ayende.com/2724/a-session-that-i-would-like-to-see#comment4http://ayende.com/2724/a-session-that-i-would-like-to-see#comment4Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:28:24 GMTLukeB commented on A session that I would like to seeAnswer: ignore it, because something better is already out there. http://ayende.com/2724/a-session-that-i-would-like-to-see#comment3http://ayende.com/2724/a-session-that-i-would-like-to-see#comment3Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:03:42 GMTEvan commented on A session that I would like to seeMy default answer: Ignore it and wait for something good. Ayende will usually break it into a million pieces shortly before or after its release. ;-) Seriously though, if I used everything as it came prepackaged from Redmond, I'd shoot myself. There has to be something built around it before I even want to touch it (unless I'm blazing the new trail). Otherwise you just get trapped in a tarpit. http://ayende.com/2724/a-session-that-i-would-like-to-see#comment2http://ayende.com/2724/a-session-that-i-would-like-to-see#comment2Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:52:53 GMTTom Opgenorth commented on A session that I would like to see<golf clap /> Being someone who has gone through DAO/RDO/ODBC/ADO/ADO.NET over the years I'd know what you mean. http://ayende.com/2724/a-session-that-i-would-like-to-see#comment1http://ayende.com/2724/a-session-that-i-would-like-to-see#comment1Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:49:24 GMT