http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660I would like to comment on the name ALT.NET. I agree with what David Laribee meant and Ayende clarified. I think that others are getting off track and forgetting that the central principle is to focus on the solutions that the tools enable. This requires and open mind: to be available to change no matter where it comes from. This is an inclusive frame of mind. The word ALT pushes away from the core of what David tried to capture in the label. I would like to propose a change in the label: Noble.NET. Everything that David describes is noble. There is nothing about the word noble that depends on excluding. ALT depends on some people being IN and some people being OUT. This creates the us and them mentality which is always an unhealthy place to be. Everyone can become a Noble.NET developer. http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment9http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment9Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:49:21 GMTGlad you got the point Oren! Then again I'd be surprised if you didn't... in many ways you're the poster child for the kind of developer I was talking about: participation, alternative methods, finding what works best, etc. http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment8http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment8Wed, 02 May 2007 18:01:11 GMTI agree with you Oren. I like Laribee's original four points a lot. http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment7http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment7Wed, 02 May 2007 16:24:48 GMTGreat post. To me, it is all about the tools. If the best tool for the job is open source, then i will use it. If the best tool is an M.S. tool, then i will use it as well. http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment6http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment6Wed, 02 May 2007 12:09:52 GMTKarthik, I don't think that I misunderstood. I wasn't talking about the post itself, but on the trend and the affect it can cause. http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment5http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment5Wed, 02 May 2007 03:49:47 GMTAlt.Net is about using what works. I completely agree that the 2 posts you note are very odd when placed into the context of what Dave really meant by the post. Good play on finding those and pointing them out. http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment4http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment4Wed, 02 May 2007 02:12:37 GMTOren, I think you misunderstood the meaning of my post. I never had an intention of saying its "us versus them" One key piece of my post included this: "once Microsoft does emulate your tool/solution, you make a serious attempt to conform to their solution if it meets your needs better." My point was that if you are ALT.NET, you are willing to look at other frameworks for implementations an ideas as well as consider the Microsoft approach to a problem if it's more relevant to the problem at hand. Whether you chose to use a particular framework before a Microsoft alternative presented itself doesn't mean you are necessarily showing some kind of royalty towards it. It just means you are more open to try other solutions before they are shrink wrapped by MS. http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment3http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment3Wed, 02 May 2007 01:52:06 GMTAmen! http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment2http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment2Wed, 02 May 2007 00:21:12 GMTWell said. Thank you. http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment1http://ayende.com/2352/alt-net-it-is-not-us-vs-them#comment1Tue, 01 May 2007 20:15:50 GMT