http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660Trackback from ["One of the selling points for VSTS is the fact there are people like Roy, helping organizations move to TFS without losing developer-hours"](http://dotmad.blogspot.com/2007/04/tfs-vs-oss-round-432023548.html)http://ayende.com/2343/tfs-potshots#comment5http://ayende.com/2343/tfs-potshots#comment5Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:34:38 GMT@Roy, LOL, great response. http://ayende.com/2343/tfs-potshots#comment4http://ayende.com/2343/tfs-potshots#comment4Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:54:48 GMT* and a fully fledged IoC tool for that matter http://ayende.com/2343/tfs-potshots#comment3http://ayende.com/2343/tfs-potshots#comment3Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:49:45 GMTOk Roy, I set you up with a softball, and I knew somebody would fire right back with that one -- since *I* spend a fair chunk of time teaching client developers how to use OSS tools like CC.Net, FitNesse, and my very own complicated IoC frameword that aren't all that well known in the MS developer world. Just remember that by using OSS tools you leave more money in the budget for hiring consultants ;-) And as you surely know, MS *still* does not offer: * An ORM solution -- especially after the Entity Framework got pushed back today * A mock object library * A Continuous Integration engine * An acceptance testing framework ala FitNesseDotNet (though I've heard rumors of one) * An MVC solution for ASP.Net Even if VSTS/TFS turns out to be the bee's knees, it's awfully good to have SVN/CC.Net/Trac hanging around as an alternative. http://ayende.com/2343/tfs-potshots#comment2http://ayende.com/2343/tfs-potshots#comment2Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:48:36 GMTIt's pretty lucrative to endorese lots of complicated IoC frameworks, ORM and other OSS tools and then be one of the few guys in our sector that can actually provide consulting about how to get them to work like you want them to :) Behing an Nhibernate dev certainly doesn't detract from this temptation. Cheap shot, I know :) http://ayende.com/2343/tfs-potshots#comment1http://ayende.com/2343/tfs-potshots#comment1Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:49:42 GMT