http://ayende.comAyende @ RahienCopyright (C) Ayende Rahien 2004 - 2021 (c) 202660" Pete's got a good point. I'll add that the average .Net developer is not working in an OSS project " People are getting mixed up with 'developing an OSS project' and 'developing using an OS toolset'. http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment11http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment11Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:34:23 GMTPete, I _would_ like to hear about ClearCase's features. Can you expand on that? http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment10http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment10Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:12:05 GMTBrian, There is such a guide here: http://analystdeveloper.com/blogs/gurkaneng/archive/2005/09/20/1465.aspx I think that the approach he takes is more complex than necessary, but he took the time to write a tutorial and I didn't, so I don't have much to say. http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment9http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment9Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:58:44 GMTA'braham, what SCM are you using? I am not fond of IDE as portal, it slows down core activities, like writing code http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment8http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment8Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:56:51 GMTI would love for someone to write up some detailed how to posts about how to set up on an open source stack to allow people to get away from TFS. http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment7http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment7Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:53:56 GMTInteresting point, but I think that more .NET developers need to look outside of the world Microsoft has built for them. When it comes to source control, someone has to think about it. Sometimes convenience constrains your freedom. I heard that some shops look for a developer to have worked on an open source project, and that's probably a good idea for most developers to do. Concerning the IDE as the collaboration portal, I like that Idea. There was a Dr. Dobbs article on that (I think there is an Eclipse project doing that now). Right now I'm handling the source control on my team, and I plan to put together a few webcasts on our SCM from and admin and user perspective. Teach once, train everywhere. http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment6http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment6Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:41:37 GMTPete's got a good point. I'll add that the average .Net developer is not working in an OSS project and is not familiar with anything other than VSS, and it's not all that uncommon to find places that do not use any SCM tool at all (iiirrc!). These developers would benefit a lot from a tool that integrates directly in the IDE, where they don't even need to think too much about source control. The IDE becomes the project collaboration portal. I have not used the TFS stuff yet, and probably won't for a good time because of it's unreasonable pricing, but I think it would be less complicated for me and my team mates than training everybody in the OSS stack. http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment5http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment5Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:03:16 GMTTFS is some really cool stuff. If you want to talk features I'm a big fan of ClearCase and their "streaming" workflow concept (if you can afford it) Thing is, I've always considered the OSS development to be different than your common in-house full-time team; theres more flux. It varies in things like people joining and leaving the project and contribution frequencies. I've never managed an OSS project, but the few Ive contributed to always involved subversion or cvs. They're not perfect, but theyre pretty universally understood, which is important when your contributors are a diverse bunch of people. http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment4http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment4Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:45:59 GMTAdi, Here is an article that talks about how to do it for FogBugz ,but the general idea is the same anywhere. http://www.fogcreek.com/FogBugz/docs/40/Articles/SourceControl/TortoiseSVN.html http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment3http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment3Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:11:33 GMT"Just about any bug tracker has this ability, it is not unique for TFS by eany means. Usually it is a matter of a few config options for SVN and a post-commit hook." Can you write more specific details on that? http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment2http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment2Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:20:11 GMT"And you know what, I can get them to work together in the same time it takes to setup TFS." Bravo!!! Bravo!!! http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment1http://ayende.com/2340/tfs-zero-friction-and-living-in-an-imperfect-world#comment1Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:04:09 GMT